Max, how are you ?
I'm fine, that's nice to see you again!
as you say, that's cool! Not too tired as you're at the end of the tour?
Only 10 shows left 'til the end (48 done)...
Long but good tour you know! We've seen the sun here for the first time
in 2 weeks. It's been snowing everywhere, in Germany, Austria, we also
went to Bulgaria, it was cold... So here it's really nice, that's better
that's cool, France is cool for that, not too much snow in general...
time we already talked a bit about " Dark Ages ", it was two
month before its released date. About it again, you used some brazilian
lyrics on "Riot Starter" we could previously found on songs
like "Tribe", and "Fire". Can you explain where
do they come from and why you used them again?
They are from chants, from slaves. Nobody really knows who wrote it,
its passed by generation to generation you know, and it's about Zumbi.
Zumbi is a Brazilian slave, he's a hero, he fought against slavery,
and this chant is really part of us you know. I used it first in the
first Soulfly record and I heard it in some Capoeira, the dance, like
the Brazilian martial arts and they play with the Berimbau. The first
time I heard this chant was on a little cassette, and I saw live this
guy doin', but never with metal. So I put that together with metal and
I thought that would be really strong. So strong, that I used it again
and I do it live also with the Berimbau, the crowd... I like it, I don't
know why, it's really strong you know, like calling our ancestors...
made 2 video clips for "Dark Ages", one for "Carved Inside"
and another one for "Frontlines". They both have the same
atmosphere as those you've done with Sepultura for "Territory",
... I think the reason for "Frontlines" is that the video
director was a big Sepultura fan, so I think there's a little bit influence
of him on that part. My favourite is "Carved Inside", I like
it! I think it's more strange with the castle, we put fire on the Danube
river, so that was pretty metal ! (Laugh) And just the all thing,
the atmosphere of "Carved Inside" is darker, even the film
quality is very dark. I think they're both cool, and I hope we can do
another video on this album. I'd love to do one for "Babylon",
it's maybe my favourite song on the album. Let's see... maybe a live
video, I don't know...
the "Frontlines" video we can see you wearing a gas-mask.
You use it a lot, on tee-shits, on the DVD cover, on the "Arise"
video (1991)... Is there any reason of that?
I like how it looks !(Laugh) It looks aggressive you know. I
have one on my mic stand, that's probably my 10th one, because I keep
given them or get stolen, or I give up as a present. My kid Igor loves
gas-masks too, he got that from me, my influence on him! (Laugh)
So sometimes I gave him my gas-mask you know. I just like it, it just
looks like the music, looks like powerful, aggressive... like the music.
did you get the idea to begin "Fuel the Hate" with the date
"Monday, july 16th, 1945, 5.30am", that was the first nuclear
explosion in New Mexico desert, 3 weeks before Hiroshima?
I saw it in a book and I was in the studio at the same time and thought
that this sounds cool. This song is really intense, "Fuel The Hate"
is a very intense song you know. So I thought about just saying those
words for the beginning of the song. I thought that was curious that
the name of the project which was called "Trinity" and I don't
know why. In the book, it doesn't say that, so I'd like to know. If
somebody knows, let me know what "Trinity' means. Why is the bomb
called "Trinity" ? I am curious about that. I don't know,
is it a religious thing, or is it a military word? I'm curious, so if
you know let me know... (Laugh) You don't know? (Laugh)
I don't! (Laugh)
book just says that, I'll find out somehow! Today you can find everything
on the internet! (Laugh)
I'll look for it! (Laugh)
is also a really good song, with a very powerful meaning, could you
explain its meaning for the people who're maybe not into religious stuff?
Yeah, it's a psalm of the bible and in Brazil, a lot of singers, artists
used it. So it's a song that's more related to artists, I don't know
why. My mother gave me that a long time ago, a little card I carry with
me in my pocket. And this the strange thing, we had the music of this
song which is very based on Massive Attack, Dead Can Dance and I was
trying some of the words of that stuff in English and nothing sound
really good, sounded ok and I had this card and I took it out of my
pocket and just said the line one time and it was the perfect line of
the song so that was pretty cool.
But I still don't think it fits all our album, that's why it's only
a b-side. To me, the original idea of "Dark Ages" is just
a darker album and that don't even fit there. We also had a song done
with Coyote from Eyesburn and it was like "Moses" which is
reggae, a great song! I think that people would really like it. But
I think it really didn't fit "Dark Ages" so we gonna save
for sometimes later. Because wanted to keep the concept of "Dark
Ages" very explosive, very dark, very direct...
maybe do you plan to release a full record with those kind of music
I'd like to! A lot of people ask me about that, because they like a
lot of these passages, and not just the "Soulfly" songs but
also the little passages between songs, like the end of "Frontlines"
with the guitar, or on "Prophecy" the part just before "Moses"
on "I believe". That's the things I do all the time, I record
them all the time, I must have like a thousand interludes. So one day,
if I find the right time, the right people, I think I'll make a whole
album of that, it might be cool, be like a world music soundtrack kind
of an album. Should be pretty cool, I'd like to do it!
was a big release year for you, with a Soulfly record, a Soulfly DVD,
a Nailbomb DVD, 2 reissues ("Roots" & "Soulfly").
About the Nailbomb DVD, I thaught that you wanted to put some studio
footage on it. Do you maybe prepare a new Nailbomb DVD?
They filmed the show in Holland so that was already all set up so you
know. But I think it's cool cause it was a great live show for Nailbomb,
for that kind of music with so many people. But yeah, actually a couple
friends of ours who gave it to a big company and we give it to one of
Dana's friend, Dana filmed a lot of stuff in my camera, and Gloria found
the tapes. And we're looking to the tapes and there's some really cool
stuff about how really Nailbomb was made with very very funny shit,
punk rock style, like us carrying gear, carrying instruments, carrying
big boxes of speakers... things that fans would really want to see...
"Oh look! Musicians are actually working!" (Laugh) So I think
it's gonna come out sometimes, I don't know when, but sometimes like
later this year or maybe next year. And that will be probably the last
thing people will get from Nailbomb because it's over you know! We'll
never gonna do anything with it.
the musical aspect, which dreams would you like to see happen?
Soulfly or for something else...
I'd like to work... I know I will, but I don't know when, but there
will be like to me, the continuation, the second album after "Roots".
It supposed to be recorded in Africa... part of it. When I made "Roots"
in 1996, in my head there was always a part 2 of "Roots" that
needed to be done in Africa, that I was going to do with Sepultura,
because of course I've never knew there was a split up you know. We
split up but I still think that's one of our very strong dream albums.
Because a lot of the music on "Roots" came from Africa, to
Brazil. So to me, making an album centred like in North Africa or in
Mali, or I don't know, I have to go and see, I don't even know where
to start, but for me I think that would be a great, big, amazing record
to do. A lot of work, but that would be definitely the second part of
"Roots", so I'd like to do that sometimes... also in the project!
10 years that you have left Sepultura now. What's your feeling about
those 10 years, and the things you've accomplished with Soulfly?
I think that's been 10 hard years of working for Soulfly. I actually
didn't make a plan but life is not a way you plan. You can plan things,
but other things are thrown at you and you have to deal with it. But
I'm very very satisfied of the grow of Soulfly and the music, proud
of the records, I don't care what some critics says about this or that
record. For me the fans is what's important and I sing any songs every
night from every album and they know and they scream along you know,
from "Primitive", "Soulfly", "Soulfly 3",
"Prophecy", and "Dark Ages"... So for me it's proof
of the fans for Soulfly, it's proof, it's amazing, I'm very proud of
years ago I took pics of your tattoos, and you told me that you wanted
a tattoo from Tin-Tin from Paris, or to get the Soulfly logo. Have you
got some new tattoos now?
No I haven't, I stopped for a long time, I'm waiting. I still wanna
get the Soulfly tattoo and a portrait. I'd like to get my dad's portrait
on my back or something. I'm waiting you know, I'm not in a hurry. (Laugh)
time you were talking about the movie called "City Of God".
So I decided to watch it and that's a really good and amazing movie.
Is it really representative of what's happening actually in Brazil or
things are going better now?
Yeah a lot of things on "City Of God" are now and it was 20
years ago. There's nothing that you can change "like that".
I don't think it's gonna be that easy to change because it's like deep-rooted,
the kind of brutality, it's in everyday life, you're born in that situation.
When you have that everyday you become numb. For us to watch the movie
is a shock, but you know really for somebody that lives in that, it's
not such a shock to see that people to see those things you know. But
I think that Brazil has a better place right now, and I really believe
that Brazil is gonna be a great country but not for an other hundred,
fifty, two hundred years... You know, countries go through phases Rome
was in power then Germany, France, every country goes through the power
and they fall. One day America will come down, somebody else will come
up, and I think, one day, Brazil will be a big and a great country.
But it's gonna be a long time, we've to die and to be born again! (Laugh)
but Lula seems to be a good president...
Yes, he's working constantly. I know Lula since I was a kid, he was
always on some kind of campaign for something. (Laugh) So I think
he's definitely good, it's good to have him you know!
as everybody know you're singing on "Independent - Voice Of The
Voiceless", written by Robb Flynn (Machine Head). Don't
you want to make another song with him, singing together, that could
That would be very cool! I think it could happen sometime! One of the
last thing I've done is one song with Apocalyptica for the next album,
that's really cool! I met those guys last year and they're really cool
guys and they do cool stuff with the cellos, very amazing! I love this
collaboration, that was very exciting, very different, like the Probot
record with Dave Grohl, that was so cool! Not just my song but every
one on it like the songs with Voivod, King Diamond, Lemmy, Cronos from
Venom which is so heavy. So yeah I think more & more people should
do more of those, musicians shouldn't be so scared of going to other
people's music, it's ok! Some bands are so afraid of that : "Oh!
What people gona say if I record with this guy?" (Laugh) Who
gives a shit? Just do it!! So, more collaboration will come out I think
what will be your plans for the next month, a new record, a DVD or maybe
some shows during the next World Cup in Germany?
We're actually on Rock Am Ring & Rock Im Park, we're invited in
lot of festivals, we're gonna be in Europe almost this whole year (Laugh).
We're here right now for 3 months and we'll come back in June, July,
and August I think. So yeah we gonna just play a lot, record a lot,
hopefully record some cool stuff. After this tour we'll go on tour in
America with Obituary, and after everything's done goes to work on a
new album because to me, Soulfly is a never ending process. And who
knows, maybe the African album might be the next one? I don't know!
But tonight we're gona play a Bad Brains' cover for "Sailin' On",
I'm very proud of this. We start doing it on this tour. Almost all the
crowds don't know Bad Brains! (Laugh) We're teaching them, every
night it's really fun, I really like this kind of jam sessions, so it
should be a good show tonight!
to finish, here's a few strange questions which needs only a one word
I'll try! (Laugh)
Bernard Pivot :
is your favourite word?
"Maracuja", it's a fruit (Laugh)
What is your least favourite word? "World",
I can't say it right so I've never like to say that.
What turns you on creatively? Places
What turns you on spiritually? Fate
What turns you on emotionally? Family
What turns you off? Prejudice
What is your favourite bad word? Fuck Shit
What song do you love? Bad Brains' "Sailin'
On". That's a very good song!
What song do you hate? There's a lot crap
Maybe any of the Hootie and the Blowfish songs.
What is your favourite place on earth?
I'd say "Brazil".
And the one you hate? Texas, because Bush
is from there, just explode Texas and Bush in it, the world would be
a better place! (Laugh)
Which person influenced you the most during your
life? My father
Who were your heroes when you were a kid?
Ultra-men, it's a Japanese cartoon. Ultra-man and Ultra-seven, maybe
it's not popular in France. Japanese crazy hero like Lightning-bolt.
What profession other than your own would you
like to attempt? I'd like to be an explorer or anthropologist.
What profession would you not like to do? Working
in a Cuban cigar factory, I hate cigars! (Laugh) I saw that on
TV, they're rolling them, that's not for me! (Laugh)
If Heaven exists, what would you like God to say
when you will arrive at the Pearly Gates? "Are you ready
to jam?" (Laugh) I'd like to do a jam up there! (Laugh)
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