can you say about this new european tour ? You were in Ris-Orangis and
Lille, how were the concert?
There were great! We started in England and went to Ireland and the
shows were incredible there, I didn't think it would get any better
but France is an amazing place to play. Every place where we played,
the energy and the people were amazing, it really helps the playing
so it's great to play in France, there's always good reactions.
"Roorback", it sounds very urban with an hardcore touch as
if it comes from a street of New-York. Is it your hardcore influences
Definitly, especially on this album, I felt a lot more comfortable than
any other albums to really contribute and each of us always tried to
push each other to do more, every time we were goin the writing process.
It was "come on, put some ideas" like pick up the guitar and
started really coming up with simple riffs, very basics, straight to
the point. We just work on from that way and it just became more direct,
and it came of very hardcore and very aggressive. Also because so many
things were goin' on at the time of the writing : we didn't have a record
label, we left our management
So there's was a lot of agression
goin'on, as far as right after september 11, the elections in brazil,
the situation was pretty violent, that really contribute to the lyrics
and the power in the music and living in Sao Paulo which is a big city,
the fourth biggest city in the world so there's a lot of chaos goin'on
there. That definatly influenced the lyrics of the album. We wanted
to do something more different from our last album "Nation",
we had no guest really except for one, the songs are shorter and just
straight to the point.
is the 10th Sepultura's album since "Morbid Visions", and
according to you what's the most evolution on this album?
I think just from the rehearsal studio taking that sound and just keeping
it. Usually when we did this in the rehearsal studio, we end up changing
things in the studio, lots of things like "oh coming up with ideas".
We really captured the sounds first in the rehearsal space, like came
off with very powerful things, we didn't really need to change that
much, and so that was like a big difference on the album I worked. From
the demo tape to the final product it's pretty sound the same. We haven't
been doing that in the past, we've been changing lots of stuff in the
studio and coming up with ideas which happened, but with this it is
just straight on !
you satisfied with this album after playing the song's live? And if
you could change something on it, which one?
"Roorback"'s songs are great just because it feets so well,
like the very powerful songs. We know that reaction while playing the
songs, people are into it immediatly, more than on "Nation"
and "Against". All the songs we play from "Roorback",
people seem to really really like, we keep picking new songs from the
album to test them and each one's been really good. We're very happy
with the result. And I think it will continue to get better, 'cause
the album just came out.
"Under A Pale Grey Sky" which is Max's last show. Was it Sepultura's
choice to release it or just a Roadrunner idea?
It was definitly 100% a Roadrunner idea, we didn't want to release it
and they wanted to make money (laugh). Even if it's years old. I mean
for us it's just kind of ridiculous and I know those guys are a bit
upset just for the fact that it wasn't the best show of their "Roots
tour"; and the have no saying in the artwork and the people who
put out that album had nothing to do with Sepultura, it was coproduced
by some guy that nobody has ever heard of. It's just show you the way
that big label, major label are just falling apart, they can't come
up with any ideas and put anything together to make money, you know,
reissue of this, and that, just because they have no imagination and
they have forgotten what it's all about. Independent labels are rising
up and getting a lot of interest from people. People are buying more
stuff on the independent labels just because they have a better quality
of music. That's a fact you know! So for us living Roadrunner for a
label that might be smaller is the best thing we could do. First we
have total control and second these people have no relation to the past
of Sepultura. They can only see it in the future, like they believe
in us now. They want to sign us because they want us to continue making
good stuff. That's what we needed, there was just a too long relationship
with Roadrunner, and just the fact that they put that out was just another
reason why to leave. We had one more album to do with Roadrunner, we
had the option weather to do it or leave. So we decided to leave. What's
the point of doing another album if they are not going to work on it
properly. So now we are in a much better position already, things are
going a lot better.
read that it was Max that had chosen the title "Under A Pale Grey
Sky", so it's strange to see that he had something to say about
that therefore he's no longer in the band, whereas the rest of Sepultura
had the right to say anything...
I don't know, maybe he did. What I know, is that us as a band, we hadn't
anything to say. They gave everyone a copy except me, I didn't received
one. That's the truth. It's like "here it is, we're putting that
out, no matter what you say". Maybe they talked to Max because
he's still on Roadrunner, so maybe that happened. But it's fine, they
can do whatever they want, we're just a lot happier being able to do
what we wanna do, being able to represent ourselves. And I really like
to work with SPV. It's a different label and it's just better to work
with new people, new ideas. And so far so good !
Brazil what changes have happened with the Lula's government?
Well right now it is slowly putting in hunger programmes, there haven't
been any radical changes, it is not possible in Brazil cause it would
cause a lot of confusion, but its great because people have big hopes
and anticipation for the future. Another great idea is using music in
politics to campaign serious issues like hunger and aids. They have
asked Sepultura to perform commercially and to use our music for something
important, like opening their minds and using different ways to talk
and to communicate with people. It has been great but more time is needed
as they only stepped in, in January.
do you think of the European scene, can you name any bands you like,
any French bands?
Hahaha French bands that's difficult because so many things change rapidly.
We spend a lot of time in Sao Paolo and a lot of European things like
types of music don't come to Brazil. Before Sepultura I was in a hardcore
band and I came here in 1993 and the hardcore scene was big a lot of
shows, a lot of people at shows, even if you weren't a big band people
would go see the shows there was a scene and I think this is coming
back. We've been doing small, hot, sweaty places with no barricades
and it's been great, the energy, the level, the reaction, the close
interaction is much more that the big shows. You can feel that in Europe.
People want something like that more, instead of a flash, a big stage,
a festival, where you see 20 bands and that was it. I still love touring
here its still one of my favourite places to tour. Hopefully we can
keep coming back and getting more and more of a reaction and this time
it's been really really good!
Interview Manu & O.S.