how is this new european tour goin' on ?
It's great, it's a good start for the new album. In Flames is a great
live band and Dagoba from France to. It's great, it's workin' on very
how does it work with Roy? Is he happy with his new tribe?
I guess yeah ! (Laugh)
It's workin' out great, he's doin' a great job, playin' like never before
really. He knows Sepultura's material for a long time, he's been a fan
you know, forever. His way of playing is of course respecting a lot
what Igor wrote, so it's working really good, really surprising! In
the good way... (Laugh)
you have some fresh news from Igor?
I think, he's at home you know, try to rebuild his personal life and
stuff, something that you cannot reassure to change, he wouldn't play
here with us with his mind in Brazil : his body would be here but his
mind and all the problems would be there, so I guess hopefully he can
feel better, and come-back you know, to continue the tour... Let's see
you don't know when this could happen?
Nobody knows ! (Laugh) Just like I said, it takes time really!
A seperation is really difficult for any man in any situation you know.
There's children involved and many other stuff so it takes time.
your new record, " Dante XXI ", how did you end up to work
on "The Divine Comedy" concept?
We started working on the album in august 2004, and from the very first
day, I came with the idea to try to find something to be inspired by.
You know, every Sepultura album have really strong ideas behind it or
weird ideas like recording outside Brazil or like the brazilian roots
on "Roots Bloody Roots", and also on "Nation", on
"Against"... All the situations where the band was, were very
influential. And it seems that we did everything in the past, we worked
with indian tribes, we worked with japanese groups and many different
musicians and great producers, like Ross Robinson, Andy Wallace, Steve
Evetts, on many studios all around the world you know. And we worked
on some soundtracks for movies in Brazil aside Sepultura, and I'm working
with different musicians to do stuff. It came from there, try to find
something really powerful and cool to write about. I've suggested the
movie " Clockwork Orange " from Kubrik, and Derrick suggested
"The Divine Comedy" cos' that was the book he studied at school,
when he was younger. Then we went to do some research, and when I started
to read "The Divine Comedy", it blows me away! It's a really
perfect book, very rich in details and situations... We could do many
different albums from the same book. It was very inspirative to write
the music, the lyrics, and for the artwork of the album. From the first
day we had that concept in mind, so everything was working towards that
you know. It was great!
the fact of working on a conceptual album motivates you to work once
more with André Moraès ?
Yes, André Moraès is one of the co-producers of the album
that we call, to form this team to produce the album. We basically produced
the album ourselves, we did the pre-roductions, demos during a year
and a half. We were writing and recording ideas and stuff. And André
Moraès is a guy that we worked with on soundtracks for movies
in Brazil. He's familiar to that kind of world you know, and he's also
a big Sepultura fan. He came to the album for all the arrangement for
the cellos, the horns and to put some drums loops and percussions, to
bring more of the soundtrack vibe for the album. And the other co-producer
was Stanley Soares, who's the guy that's doin' our live behind stuff,
he's very good on the engineering, pro-tools... So between those guys
and the band, we produced and also mixed the album. It was cool to do
everything at home in São Paulo. I think that we have bagage
inhalf to really know how we're going to sound like. We're very happy
and very satisfied with the final result.
sound of the record is not a big production. Did you want to keep something
which sounds a bit old because of "The Divine Comedy" concept?
No, it just came out the way it did. We used our equipment we have,
and we always like to have a sound as live as possible. I don't know
what you mean by big production... (Laugh)
I mean something like over-produced...
don't like to do that. We spent a year and a half writing and spent
only a month recording. Igor is very fast when he records, like 1, 2
or 3 takes at the most, me and Paulo are the same, and Derrick is pretty
quick too, so we have no reason really to try to find things that we
won't gona need. (Laugh) Because in the studio there are so many
options with the equipment and stuff like that, but once you're very
focused in what you need, we don't loose time on stuff that not gona
help at the end. We always wanted to sound like that, I think "Roots"
is an exemple of that also, it's a very alive kind of recording and
I think we achieve that.
"Dante XXI", you've worked with André Moraès
on the soundtrack for " No Coração Dos Deuses",
and you also worked on the soundtracks for 2 other movies, "Lisbella
Eo Prisoneiro", and "Belini e a Esfinge"...
... "No Coração Dos Deuses" and "Lisbella
Eo Prisoneiro", were with him but "Belini e a Esfinge"
was with other people.
have the "No Coração Dos Deuses" cd, but it's
hard to find the 2 others and also the DVD versions...
... Only "No Coração Dos Deuses" was released
in Europe on cd! For "Lisbella Eo Prisoneiro", and "Belini
e a Esfinge", there's a cd for both, but only in Brazil.
you know if somebody plan to release them soon, here in Europe?
I don't know. I think it's very difficult! For " No Coração
Dos Deuses" we actually had this deal with a small dutch label,
Mascot Records, because Mike Patton was in and Sepultura, so they were
very interested to put it out. We did everything together with André
Moraès we put speak on the all album. On "Lisbella Eo Prisoneiro",
we put like 2 songs, we had a re-recording that we did with an older
brazilian singer and we had the team for the killer in the movie so
that's the part of Sepultura. And for "Belini e a Esfinge",
I've participated on the all movie to, and they have like a cd also,
but it's only for the brazilian market. I doubt that they gona have
the chance to release them outside Brazil unfortunatly... That's something
we could think about later or something to put out like a compilation
of soundtracks, it'll be pain in the ass to deal with many different
labels but who knows? That would be cool...
so, for now, the only solution for us is to try on Ebay or something...
actually on tour with In Flames, you certainly saw their last record
(Laugh) Yes! Actually we didn't talk about it yet. I'm waiting
for the right moment to strike ! (Laugh)
But I think it's not really the band's fault, it's mostly the artists'
who makes available his art to different bands, that's the same fuckin'
monster on the cover! It's weird! We did it for "Roorback",
he draw the design for us, specificly for that album, and we were very
surprised to see the same monster again for a different band, a different
cover but... Oh well, what can we do? Just kill Derek Hess! (Laugh)
about the new artwork for "Dante XXI", It looks strange, very
different than the previous one...
Yeah, that was the idea. If you put together "Nation", "Roorback",
and this one, they're very distinctive from each other. Before we had
Michael R. Whelan who did "Beaneath The Remains", "Arise",
"Chaos A.D" and "Roots", of course you have the
style but a little different from each other... And it's cool to find
new artists! This guy, Stephan who did all the artwork for the album,
is a very talented brazilian with a very unique style. He does a lot
of graphity on streets, he does like big paintings and he's in England
right now, making an exposition of his stuff. He's a friend of Igor
for quite a while. It was great because he really knew about "The
Divine Comedy" also, we talked a lot about the direction we wanted
to fall, make the connection between the world today and the past. He
brought a lot of ideas of himself to the table, he did like 10 different
paintings including the cover, and 3 for each part of the trilogy, so
the way he portraits the comedy is amazing, it's a all new style you
know! The reaction is different to all people like "What is
this?" (Laugh) But it's cool, it's something new you
" Roots ", even if Sepultura wanted to rise up with new elements,
your music seems to be less experimental in the musical exploration...
... I think it's natural you know! On "Roots" we did like
a full research on our own roots, the brazilian music, not only the
indian music but also the african influence, and our own urban music
influence from São Paulo, Belo Horizonte, big cities... "Roots"
was a consequence of stuff since "Schizophrenia" pretty much,
like touring, and then with "Beneath The Remains" we started
rehearsal outside Brazil... Everything have to have a reason, an experiment
who come from somewhere, so "Roots" was a consequence of that
you know. Even if Max stayed in the band after "Roots" I doubt
that we gona be fuckin' using the berimbau on every album, and doin'
all the shit he's doin' in Soulfly everytime you know. I mean, for us
it was much more interesting to go to different places, that's why we
went to Japan to work with Kodo, which is a group we all love very much.
It was a great opportunity to go there, and see how they live, how they
build an instrument... All the cultural influences are new! I didn't
see any point to stay doin' fuckin' percussions forever! Of course these
elements will be part of the music of Sepultura forever but not like
"Roots"! "Roots" was a very special album to work
that direction. But you know, on "Nation" we experiment a
lot, just the concept itself, to create this utopic nation with no boarders
and understanding, something that don't exists, but at the same time
influence a lot what we did. "Dante XXI" is like a soundtrack
album, it's also pretty different for us, so I guess we're always looking
forward, not try to look back, not try to find new ways of doing stuff
with old ways (Laugh). Sometimes you go right, sometimes you
go wrong, that's part of it you know. You have to risk to conquer something
don't you want to explor other musical aspect with other kind of percussions,
with a new tribal spirit from other places... ?
We played in South Africa 3 years ago, and we met many different people
like producers who worked with many different tribes. That's something
that we can explor in the futur definitely. It has to make sense for
the music that we do and for the concept, for everything... So, who
knows ? There are so many stuff that we didn't touch yet...
Yeah definitely! In "Dante XXI" we used those elements and
stuff, and the idea was to perform the all album with orchestral musicians
Hopefully we could come-back in Europe about at the end of the year
and we could do something like that, that would be great!
like Deep Purple, Metallica...
Yeah Metallica ! And many others! (Laugh)
your live record "Live In São Paulo", I've read a lot
of reviews about it and the most important critic concerned the global
sound of the record.
Finally, do you still think that you've made the
best choice in terms of production ?
Yeah definitely! I mean, we did Barcelona in 1992 for "Under Siege"
and we did so many overdubs like re-record guitars, vocals and bass.
I think it has lost so much! The show was that, the cameras was that
and the sound was that I mean! No fake you know ! (Laugh) It's very
raw, it's the way it was that night and I don't see any pleasure on
faking shit like the perfect live sound. It's just to registered that
moment, the crowd was so intense, it was great to play at home in São
Paulo, they were very happy to be a part of a DVD from Sepultura. They
heard that we wanted to make a DVD for years, and finally we did it
so... I'm very happy you know, I heard so many opinions, some people
love it, some people hate it... it's normal! (Laugh)
was a surpise to see you on the Roadrunner 25th anniversary show in
New York last december, after all those shits happened between Sepultura
With Roadrunner, we had our best times and our worst times. When we
left Roadrunner we left very peacefully, it wasn't living between lawyers
and fightings and talking shits about each other. They didn't want to
work with us and we didn't want to work with them. We still had one
more album to do by the contract, a lot of money involved and stuff
but... "If you don't want to see Sepultura in the futur, then
let us go and we'll find somebody else to work out!". That's
what we did but we kept our doors opened, there was no reason no to
talk to them anymore and say "Fuck Off"! They made
their choice to invest in Soulfly instead of invest in the new Sepultura,
they're gona live up with their choice. We're very happy with SPV now,
they really see the futur of Sepultura, and not all the prejudice and
all the problems that we had like spliting, both bands in the same label,
people that didn't accept Derrick, all that crap you know... So we left!
To answer your question, a party from Roadrunner without Sepultura would
be stupid ! (Laugh) We made that label what they are today, not
by ourselves of course, but you know, we were the biggest selling band
of that label, and they grew up a lot with Sepultura. I was very happy
to be invited, to be a part of it, not only to play Sepultura songs
but to play all the bands' that were on Roadrunner. There was so many
different musicians there, from Machine Head, Slipknot, Roy was there,
Dino, Ripper Owens... amazing party! I was very happy to be part of
it, there was a lot of work involved but also a lot of fun. That was
a great idea to put together an album, create different bands to create
new music... That was excellent, that's great!
also worked once more with Dino on his Asesino record, how was it and
was the Roadrunner Anniversary the detonator of that collaboration ?
It's great! Yeah, that was a consequence of that meeting we had in New
York for the 25th anniversary. Roy was there also, so I talked to him
about doin' this tour... So a lot of good stuff came out from that meeting.
Dino is finishing now the second Asesino album, and he called me to
do lead guitars, and extra-noises... It sounds so great men, so powerful,
so heavy! All sing in spanish, it's beautiful, I'm also very happy to
be part of it! And who knows, maybe we'll try to do some live shows
together, maybe in the States or in Europe, whatever... Let's see!
if you won't be on tour with them, will they have another guitar player?
I don't know! They're a power trio! I don't know if they gona have a
fourth guitar player to do my parts. Dino is actually learning how to
do leads so maybe I'll loose my job there to! (Laugh)
also working on a solo record, what can you tell us more about it?
It's the same record label that put out " No Coração
Dos Deuses", Mascot Records, they offered me a deal to do a solo
album so I said "Why not?! It could be great!". I have
demos that I've been working on for the last 8-9 years with accoustic
guitars, stuff that I didn't use on soundtracks and stuff that I didn"t
use in Sepultura. So I started to organize all those tapes and demos,
and now I have pretty much everything in place. I've already recorded
some parts in Brazil and when I'll be back, I have to intend to finish
the recording. So it'll be release early next year. It's gona be a double
album : the first album will be more related to the electric guitar
like a band, with vocals and many guests, and the second album will
be more related to the accoustic guitar with some instrumental stuff
with maybe some strings and shit. It's gona be interesting, it's not
like a specific style that I'm playing. I mean, everything's there,
all my influences, from blues to classical, from thrash metal to...
(Laugh) Yeah Bosa nova, why not! I wanna be really free on this
one, and having a lot of fun to do it! Try stuff who cares?! Let's see
if it works... It's great because the label is not putting pressure
with a release date you know, not putting pressure to follow certain
directions "Do whatever you want!". So, it's great!
I think it could be cool!
will be your plans for the next month with Sepultura ? Maybe some shows
in Germany in june for the World Cup?
I hope Brazil's gona do the show, hopefully! (Laugh)
But I don't know because Roy is not gona stay with us after this tour,
he's gona join Stone Sour, the band from Corey from Slipknot. It's gona
depend a lot on Igor, on how he feels... We're not gona do the summer
festivals but the intention is to go the States in august, september,
maybe a tour with Hatebreed, and go back to Europe with a headline tour,
let's see! Hopefully Igor will be with us. If not, we'll try to come-back
with Roy again! Let's see...
talked about the next World Cup and in fact we come from a town called
... Juniño !!! (Laugh)
(Laugh) Lyon is like a brazilian town with all the brazilian
... you have to wake up everyday and thanks Brazil! (Laugh)
There are Juniño, Chris, Caçapa, and a few years ago,
Before Juniño and brazilians, Lyon never won the french league,
right? And now they're gona win the 5th french league, that's amazing,
it's beautiful !
Ronalidino, Gaoucho was at Paris Saint-Germain, Raï and many otgers.
The brazilan players have to say they are the best, they're so many...
We can compare the national team we have today to the time of Pelé,
Gaicha, Rivelino, Jerson... like the best players! We have a great chance
but at the same time, when Brazil is too much confident, they loose!
(Laugh) Too much favouritism you know! But let see what happen,
it's gona be interesting! (Laugh)
to music, I heard that Sepultura created his own festival in Brazil...
... yeah we did one in 2004, with only some brazilian bands like Ratos
De Porao and some others. It was great! The intention is trying to do
this again, bringing bands from outside, maybe Asesino, Machine Head
or something like that, try to make a early festival there. And the
idea is like to do like Ozzfest really, like to concentrate all the
heavy bands where in Brazil that's hard for them to have places, to
show their music, especially the smaller bands, and to do like a second
stage where they could play, have like skate-boards... To do like a
really cool big festival. The first one came out really cool, and let's
see if this year we could do it again...
a few month, we can hear a lot of rumors about Max and Sepultura, so
I'll only believe what you're gona say right now...
(Laugh) I say everything different all the time! (Laugh)
I don't know if the problem is from you or from the medias... (Laugh)
heard Max sayin' a lot of stuff lately on interviews but we can't really
give to much credit for what he say, because I heard so many different
stuff, he's very contradictory on the stuff that he says. But these
rumors about a reunion goin' on since he has left the band, since the
first day, like : "He's comin' back tomorrow!" (Laugh)
That's something we learned how to live with, there's nothing goin'
on, for us it would be the worst time of all, doin' something like that.
We're so much focused on our career, our label, our manager... towards
the futur, not like going back. So I don't see that happening right
now. I can't deny that it would be great to have a chance to play again
together, we built something very special together. But it's gona have
to be like the same good old days you know, talk to each other, practice
and... and do it right! Not putting the money on the table and go on
stage and play. That would be total disrespect to our fans, and people
feel that, there's no way how to fool them! (Laugh) So, let's
see! We're very focused on what we're doin' right now.
how does Derrick feel with all those shits?
He's apart of it, he can't control that kind of shit, but he's very
safe with us, he knows that we built something new and he's part of
this, so no problems!
to finish, I have a few strange questions which need only 1 word answer.
Bernard Pivot :
is your favourite word?
" Fuck "
What is your least favourite word? I don't
know... hum it could be "I don't know" (Laugh)
What turns you on creatively? Everything!
Not only music but books, movies, friends, family... well, Life itself
What turns you on spiritually? "Family".
It's not a book, or a church. Just the relationship you have with friends
and family. The respect you have to have to each other, that's very
spiritual for me and not doin' shit like goin' to the church to ask
for forgiveness all the time (Laugh). I think the bless I have from
my wife, my kids, my friends is very spiritual for me. I think you have
to live you spirituality, not like fucking preach! (Laugh)
What turns you on emotionally? "Football"
and "Music" (Laugh)
What turns you off? Loosing Football (Laugh)
What is your favourite bad word? Sucker
What sound do you love? There are many
sounds. When my kids are laughin', or naturaly unhappy, that's the best!
What sound do you hate? The supporters
of the opposite teams screaming for their names. (Laugh)
What is your favourite place on earth?
I'd say Brazil. We live in so many different places you know, but Brazil
is special, São Paulo is very special.
And the one you hate? I don't know, I don't want to be unjust! (Laugh)
Maybe places with snow. I think it's beautiful but at the same time
it's pain in the ass.
Which person influenced you the most during your life? My Wife. At the
begining it was my mom, she helped me out with my first guitar and pedals,
she trusted in the path I wanted to follow. And later my wife, who's
holding up the family when I'm away, travelling... It's hard to be away,
but at the same time it's the stuff that I do, I have to play, and travel.
She's the one who really hold the family.
Who were your heroes when you were a kid?
São Paulo Football players
What profession other than your own would you
like to attempt? Football Player
What profession would you not like to do? Office
If Heaven exists, what would you like God to say
when you will arrive at the Pearly Gates ? " Welcome ! This
is heaven, not hell, right ?!" (laugh)
Interview Nathalie, Manu & OS