Good, good thanks. Thanks for the interview.
How is this new tour going?
Oh its been great! Its been killer! We did a bunch of shows
with Korn, Slayer, a bunch of festivals. We just did a headline show
last night with Final Prayer. It was awesome!
The last time I saw you was in Paris with Carl
Oh yeah! (Laugh)
... And he seems to be an amazing musician...
Oh that guy is amazing. Like so talented. He can play even like Iron
Maiden and Slayer. He is like an incredible guy. Like he just hears
something and he can play it. Thats it. He knew every song, every
one, every album. Even like the EP, old 7inch songs. Everything! The
guy is unbelievable!
How did he end up to play with you on that tour?
Beattie broke his wrist. Got into a fight the night before the first
show of the tour in Berlin with our roadie. They got jumped in Germany
by like 15 guys. And he broke his wrist and had to go home to get surgery.
But Carl was on vacation in Germany with seeing a girl. He didnt
even know we were playing. He walked down the street and saw the Hatebreed
poster and goes Oh let me go say hello to Hatebreed. And
were like Get in the bus!. (Laughs) And hes
like Im on vacation. Were like Come on!.
(Laughs) So there, he just hopped on the bus.
And he did the whole tour...
Yeah, yeah! Sings back ups, every, does everything...
And hes singing for First Blood, and now
for Born From Pain, he also recorded all bass & guitars on the last
Oh yeah yeah! The guys great! Hes amazing. (Laughs)
Now back to Hatebreed. Well on the booklet of the record you added some
comments of your life for the 2 and half year before Supremacy
was out. Was it a way to explain people the meaning of the lyrics from
Both the meaning and try to be like a compass, cause you cant
offer everyone answers obviously cause everyones life is different.
But I thought if I explained the meaning of why I do this and maybe
point someone in the right direction. If they read it and say you
know what today I am not going to do this or today Im
going to do something positive for myself. I thought maybe that
could be like a way to point people in the right direction. So I wanted
to give people an insight like, to say ok wow they really mean
this music. It is not just to, you know, pay the rent or to go
on stage and just yell for no reason. Its a real meaning behind
it. You know, like a lot of bands who just buy the cd and you read the
lyrics and its either based in fantasy or based in, you know on stuff
around the world, and I wanted to really make this record personal so
that people know that it really is therapy for me. You know, from the
time I was a little kid, I always had like an itch to just yell. You
know get stuff off my chest. And thats how I do it. Other people
come to the shows and they yell it back at me and they get the same
feeling you know? So it's more than just music and lyrics and more than
entertainment. I want to give people a real insight.
Yeah and everything seem to be full of positivity
in your lyrics all the time, even if you seem to be hurt...
Yeah you got to have optimism. You know, and there is negative stuff
too definitely. But it's gotta not be aimless, cause if you dont
have a solution then your just complaining you know? And thats
another thing we talked about in liner notes and Ive talked about
in other interviews. Its like if you complain, you complain, you complain
you dont ever achieve a solution to whats making you complain.
But if you take action and you point yourself in the right direction
then you start to chip away. And thats what I say in the record.
Its like your gaining supremacy over the person inside you thats
the most destructive, you know? Everybody has that ability to become
somebody they dont wanna be. And you just have to keep constantly
gaining supremacy over that.
The lyrics, the text in the booklet could be seen
contradictory with what happened to your ex-guitar player Lou...
Exactly yeah. You know, someone with a history of depression, history
of drug use, you have to take a step back sometimes. And be like, you
know "I cant do this with my life". You know just like
we tried to help him so many times over and over and over again, and
you know he sold all his equipment, doesnt wanna play guitar,
doesnt like the music, doesnt like the scene you know? Stuff
like that. Like you know, its... its easy to get that way.
It's easy to become that way, you know? And thats why I urge people
to go get help.
If you are feeling depressed go see a professional. Call! You know if
your feeling suicidal, go see a professional that can point you maybe
in the right direction. Cause theres a lot of people that are
like that. Everybody, I was like that. Everybody has that potential
to be like that. Life is for the living, you know? You have to enjoy
it and be grateful for everything you have.
With this new record you put some new stuff, you
evolved a lot. Is that due to youre other projects like Icepick
& Kingdom Of Sorrow and also with you various guest apperance?
I want to step outside for a little bit but not too much cuz I dont
want to disappoint the old school fans but I like to try different things.
And yeah like on "To The Threshold" and "Never Let It
Die", I try some different stuff. Kingdom Of Sorrow is much different,
were doing a deal this week actually which is going to come out
January or February, were signed to a pretty big underground label.
That was cool because I was able to have a vocal outlook on everything.
On the next Hatebreed there will be more stuff. On Icepick theres
some where I do a bit more hardcore stuff but you know I dont
want to veer too much on what everyone wants I dont want to disappoint
You also recorded 2 others songs during the recording
sessions called New Hate Rising and Pollution Of The
Soul. Can you tell us more about
those 2 songs and why you didnt want to add them on the final
version of the record?
Oh yeah those werent done, they werent supposed to be heard
by anybody. We were supposed to go and change some things but the label
did that behind our backs. We weren't too thrilled about that but a
lot of people tell us "Oh I found this song online, I downloaded
these songs" cuz they were released in Japan and the U.K. so...
but people like those songs but they werent finished, they werent...
Do you plan to finish them maybe?
I dont know now, I dont know its kind of like a sore
subject you know like cuz on Pollution Of The Soul the solo
was totally different and the vocals were totally different. It wasnt
finished but you know they needed a bonus track for the other territories.
Were going to talk a bit about your other
stuff. So first what about Icepick? We
heard that you have already a new record ready...
Well yeah we are. Ive been working on songs with Frank, and Nick
from Terror contributed on a bunch of songs actually. Last night I was
online with Nick, we trading back and forth some ideas, hes got
a bunch of stuff and then we got a lot of guest appearances lined up
for this one like Zoli from Ignite, Jimmy from Murphys law, John
Joseph from Cro-Mags, we got Ill Bill, the rapper, Skinhead Rob from
Transplants, trying to get Tim Armstrong from Rancid. So its going
to be much different, too much more varieties, not going to be such
a crossover record. On the previous one there were songs that it had
more punk and hardcore influenced that just didnt make it on the
record, it was really more of a crossover record. I think well
probably record it the month off we have from Hatebreed and then itll
come out maybe next spring. Were trying to get it out by this
summer but its just not going to happen. Plus Icepick is coming
to a new deal its not going to be on Stillborn but on a label
that can actually work it well. Here it was on Alveran, which was good
it was really good but on the U.S. I put it out myself and I didnt
really have time to promote it properly.
Is what you've just said linked the fact that
you seem to take your time for your work as producer. From what I've
heard, you didnt work this time with Agnostic Front, Sworn Enemy
& Full Blown Chaos for their upcoming records...
Well yeah Ive been so busy. The AF record I really wanted to do
it again and they asked but were doing these dates now and I talked
to Roger last night plus Roger just had a new baby girl so he was waiting
to get onto the studio until now and Freddy (Cricien - Madball)
decided to produce it. But I really wanted to contribute it and to help
them on that record but I didnt have time.
Full Blown Chaos you know what can be said really is the last record
didnt do so good you know, they have to move on and try something
new, and I hope the next record does ok cus we just didnt really
have the success, we didnt have the success we had with "Wake
The Demons" which was a good breakdown record for them, and I think
that the fans like "Wake The Demons" better than they like
the last album. But the new one I heard is going to be pretty good.
And Sworn Enemy we did an unheard of thing back in 2002,2003 you know
I got Sworn Enemy signed to a major label (Elektra) and they
did the Ozzfest you know, it was a big deal for a New York Hardcore
band. But you know, the same thing is Im so busy, I have so much
to do, I cant carry everybody on my shoulders, they have to breakout
on their own and do their own thing. And Im happy for them theyre
making better records and I really feel that and is growing you know
Ill always produce them If I have time but therere just
so much stuff. But Abacus & Century Media did a good job in the
last record, they did videos and you know I was happy for them. And
Tim from As I Lay Dying got them a more modern metal sound which is
what they wanted, they didnt a more hardcore record. I would of
wanted to do more old school Killing Time, Sheer Terror you know Madball
type of record but they wanted to do more metal which I can respect
you know, theyre more like you know they listen to Metallica,
Testament, Exodus, thats cool too! I think that this new record
is going to be really big, I think its going to be good for them
especially in Europe cus Century Media making it a priority.
And what about Kingdom Of Sorrow? I thought the
record would come earlier...
Yeah well see the problem with that was when I signed to Roadrunner
I say "I have this record, I really want you to hear this record",
and they heard, they loved it and they said "Ok, lets put one song
on the "Headbangers Ball" compilation. Then they said
"We want to put out the Hatebreed first" but I said "No!
this records been done since 2005". I spent all my own money
you know, we did a really great record, we did a real studio with Zeus,
we were flying back and forth from New Orleans you know, I put a lot
of time and effort in this record, but they said "No, Hatebreed
has to come out first". So we put Kingdom Of Sorrow in the back
burner and the Hatebreed record came out, and Roadrunner did a great
job for here, so the record exploded. Were really happy. And I
said "Ok can we do the Kingdom?" and they were "uh we
dont know!" and I said "Well let me do it with somebody
else", so now they let me and people are going to be really excited
when we announce, we probably announce this week or next week as soon
as the paper work comes from my lawyer. Its going to be a good
deal on a really good label. So yeah january or february and Kirks
done with the Down record. The Down record is coming out in september
so Down will tour, Hatebreed will tour until the end of the year and
then Kingdom will probably come out next year.
And whats goin on with Stillborn?
Are you going to finally release the Stigma record and also The Rist
Yeah! The Stigma record got pushed again because of the AF record and
Nuclear Blast is doing the AF record and I was trying to get someone
to do it here, we still have a label for it here so we just pushed it
until january. But the record is almost done, we got Hank III sings
on track with Stigma, Jimmy Gestapo's on there, Freddys on there,
Im on there. Its a really cool street rock, punk, hardcore
record, its very mixed. Theres a country song with Hank
III which is cool. And The risk Taken, I dont know whats
going to happen with that record so I just signed other bands. I signed
Legacy Of Pain from nor cal which is the guys from Suffokate. The EP
is going to blow up, we already have a ton of pre orders, and then this
band Obliged which theyre more of a straight forward metal band
theyre really into Meshuggah, Entombed, Pantera, theyre
from riverside, California. And then I signed a band called Catalepsy,
a death metal band from Florida, which they almost remind me of the
later influence of death core bands, that kids that listen All Out War,
and wanted to go more technical you know. Theyre almost mixed
like Cannibal, Bolt Thrower meets Merauder or All Out War. It should
be really cool. But thats it for now for Stillborn, but Im
still trying to do three releases a year, I dont want to get too
crazy you know because theres just too much to do and like I said,
I want to help bands, I dont them having weighing me down, I want
bands that can do their own things, be their own band you know.
And are you still working on Headbangers
I havent done it in ten weeks, because Ive been on the road
you know, and Hatebreed is my number one priority and I really felt
like theres just too much to do you know, theres the flying
back and forth the preparation you know preparation and it just too
crazy you know and I hope the show stays on the air, I really do. And
I hope they keep supporting. It was a great opportunity for me because
I got to play all my friends' bands and got to really help a lot of
bands out and I really hope it stays on. You guys have it here in France
Yeah on MTV pulse!
Oh ok so thats cool! And I think thats been catching on,
they had it on Japan, they had it in Australia, it doesnt have
a host but at least theyre playing videos and a this point thats
all you can ask for you know, anything is better than nothing.
Last time we were also talking about upcoming
plans like the cover album and the DVD...
Yeah the cover album, Im doing some more vocals when we go back
when we come back in between Ozzfest and this. Well we put 2 Sick Of
It All songs, we put one the Sick Of It All Tribute which came out cool.
The other ones going to go on the cover album, I did to like Sheer
Terror, D.R.I, Cro-Mags... I did a bunch of songs. We got to finish
the vocals and then we got to mix so now the Kingdom records might not
come out until january or february. Maybe well release it this
year, we still have time we could probably get out october, november
but it really depends.
How many songs will you add on the record?
Probably like 14 or 15, I wanted it to be more you know. And Im
going to write a booklet in it too why you should go get these bands,
go search out the history where I heard of them, what shows I went...
to just like give younger fans an idea of where some of the crossover
music came from and how its important to support all the different
scenes of aggressive music.
And about the DVD?
Yeah the DVD... that things a mess right now because theres
so much footage that has to be cut together on the road. But the good
thing about technology is that were learning and were a
little more self sufficient editing some of the footage and we just
got another camera, we had just a camera that broke now we have another
one, were doing a video for "Destroy Everything" a live
video so were getting more footage just keep compiling them and
maybe sometime next year hopefully. We wanted it for this Christmas
but its not going to happen. Theres going to be two DVDs
first, five years and second, 2000>onward, so then the early members,
the early shows, the build up of what became the band of what was represented
and properly and everybody gets their respect and their due credit for
the early days.
I think its good for a band to take his
time making a good DVD instead of putting out a crap one...
I know and I see so many that just watch it once...
Like the Chimaira DVD. It could be a lot better
than it is...
I agree 100 percent like I saw the Shadows Fall and the Chimaira and
I wasnt like totally impress. I mean it was great Ill always
keep it on my collection you know, as a fan. I definitely want it to
be more of a documentary movie like your like wow this is what they
went through you know kind of like a "VH1 Behind The Music",
but you know for our dvd.
Ok! Thanks a lot for your time!
Well enjoy the show, try to stay dry! (Laughs)
Manu & O.S
Translation Sophia Coss/Corey Mishura