This interview was made in Clermont, France, the 06th of april 2007.
Manu & O.S have met Stephen Carpenter, the guitar player.
going good, I mean weve been touring since February last year,
been on tour well over a year already even before the record even came
How is Chino now, we heard he had a sore throat?
Yeah he lost his voice a couple of weeks ago, been like two or three weeks, I mean its alright, still messed up though I think.
Ok, in my opinion "Saturday Night Wrist" is very close to "White Pony", it has the same anger and the same sweetness mixed together but in my opinion it doesnt have the same dark side to it that "White Pony" had?
Yeah, I mean its not anything intentional, our songs are always just snapshots in time of where were at yknow, depending on how were feeling when were writing music yknow thats how the musics gonna sound.
Do you think its maybe "happier" than your previous records?
I think theyre all different from each other; weve obviously been growing up the whole time weve been making em, yknow, different time and place for everything.
Thats strange because we had this feeling and at the same time we heard that it was hard for you to record this album as you had problem with Chino and Bob (Ezrin Producer)?
Chino and Abe both! Abe took just as much time as Chino, yknow Chino took a break to go play with Team Sleep for awhile, yknow they were both slow.
What were the most important differences between Terry and Bob for you?
Yknow Terry was like us, he lets us do what we do, but Bobs whole role was him trying to change things, but yknow, it just didnt work! (Laughs)
So, Are you back with Terry for the next one?
I love to work with Terry, but in whole reality, Id like to do everything ourselves the next time.
Frank seems to be more and more involved in the writing process, because of the different atmospheres; everything seems to be worked in detail, for you do you think it is one of the most important differences between this record and your last?
I dunno, I feel that Franks been involved in every record, I mean hes been on every record weve done you know, including "Adrenaline", we just didnt have him, you know he just wasnt on tour with us or anything so it didnt seem like he was part of the group, but he was, he was already in the group.
We also heard that you have a few more songs from the recording sessions; do you plan to release them?
I dunno, I mean we have extra songs from every record, the only songs that dont ever make it on the record are the ones that Chino doesnt do anything to em.
What about the original version of "Mein", I heard that Serj was supposed to sing the whole song?
No, when he first got the song, he actually did the whole song, it was already done before Chino even added anything to it, and I guess thats when Chino got inspired to do something to it.
Do you not want to release the previous version of the song?
I dunno, Ive never even heard it all the way through with him on it!
You dont want to listen to it?
I mean I dont even have it! Ive never heard it.
Still about "Mein", to invite Serj onto a Deftones song, was it a friendly thing? Or was it to gain some System of a Down fans?
Nah, were all friends already for one and second of all: we have the same management, and three: Serj was involved because at the point in time you know, Chino didnt have any ideas or anything, he was working with a bunch of different people and that was the song that Serj happened to get, I dont know gave it to him, whether it was Chino or management or whoever but Serj is responsible, he produced the lyrics for the whole song. He did it all when Chinos head wasnt even focused on it. I think when he heard the whole thing finished in one day; it kinda shook him up, made him do something.
Ok, a few years ago you released an EP called "Back to School" with a small movie called "White Pony EPK". Do you plan to release anything quite similar in the near future?
Were talking about doing a DVD, but shit; we talk about that stuff all the time yknow. Wed like to make our own movie too but were too busy doing nothing all the time! Too lazy! (Laughs)
You were talking about a DVD; do you plan to release a live DVD?
We would like to but I dont think were gonna be releasing anything like that until next year probably. Maybe something will come out later in the year but its all talk.
is definitely a band which creates its own style and it is easy to compare
you to other bands like Radiohead and Led Zeppelin. Where those bands
and influence for you?
Still even if you dont, Deftones seems completely different from the time of your first two records, in a way Deftones now sounds more like a rock band and less like a metal band
Oh yeah, definitely more rock band than anything, I dunno if I can even say Rock! I mean, I dunno its kinda hard to describe it, I mean I always tell people when they ask what kinda band Im in that its Metal hard rock but I mean its a mix of things, its dynamic really thats what it is.
Besides Deftones, Chino has a side project called Team Sleep and you have Kush. Can you tell us more about the band, and if you have plans on recording something?
Christian and Raymond are from Fear Factory and B-Real from Cypress Hill. And were gonna get a bass player, we dont have a bass player right now, when we started Christian was playing bass but he switched to guitar so were both kinda playing guitar, so we havent really decided on who were gonna have to play bass. Were actually planning to record a record later this year for it and then probably put it out next year.
You appeared as a guest on the first Chimaira record. Do you still look at what theyre doing or was it just a one off thing?
I love Chimaira; I mean theyre a great band.
We talk a lot about music but usually when we meet Americans, we like to talk about politics and we want to know what they think about Bush politics inside and outside the U.S. Do you have an opinion about that?
I mean I do but it doesnt really matter whose governing, who governs
the country, any country in the world at the end of the day you know
I constantly tell people all the time, the world is divided into two
groups: 1% and 99%. 1% is the worlds richest; the rest is everyone
to be part of the 1% group you gotta be either born into
it or youre willing to do anything to get it, to be part of it.
I mean youll do anything, theres nothing that someone would
not do to be part of that. 99% doesnt care, the 1% rules the whole
world, rules the 99% and the only reason 1% can dictate policy to 99%
cos 99% cant even control themselves. That is why the 1% can because
the 1% has enough self-control, aside from being born into it, had enough
self-control to do whatever it takes to get and be part of 1%. So no
matter who the government is or who the leader is of any government,
theres just one guy and he doesnt dictate anything, its
the corporations in every country that dictate it all. He who has the
most money dictates policy for everyone.
I think the situation is a lot different between Europe and the U.S. Dont you think it can change if we explain to people what politics are?
think the only thing that will change the world for a better place is
when people from all the world, travel all around the world and see
and meet people from all around the world, and embrace the differences
yknow and accept that we are different and instead of being frustrated
or upset the first time we dont see or like yknow
try to like it! Yknow and if you dont like it thats
ok if you dont like it. At least agree to not like it yknow
instead of hating, people hate each other for the most, the most lamest
reasons yknow, people hate themselves thats why they hate
other people. Any person with self-respect never disrespects another
person, its plain and simple.
But dont you think Deftones could be this "person" who spread the word all over the world ?
try to tell the same thing to everybody everywhere I go yknow
Im constantly trying to tell people to let the hate go! Theres
no reason to hate anyone yknow, hate is a simple side effect of
ignorance. Anyone who tries to be educated and tries to be a better
person in life, those feelings wont exist! It goes against the
nature of it I mean but thats whats insane about it, I try
to tell people, I mean all of existence, everything you cannot see or
imagine right, everything at all times is at perfect balance
if you see something and it seems upsetting to you or it doesnt
seem right, its merely your perception of the situation, its
not whatever it is, its just you, so
if somebody gave you
an opportunity to disturb the balance of all it is, with your best attempt
you couldnt do it because if you could, all that exists would
cease to exist. So every time youre in a situation that seems
negative or whatever, youre the negative, youre the thing
that is wrong not the situation. Had you not been in the situation you
would have never felt the negativity that was there. But because you
showed up in the situation, whatever it was that made you feel negative,
it was you, it was your perception of it.
This idea is close to Buddhist philosophy...
I'm not really familiar with any religion, I think religion is the biggest downfall on our planet! (Laughs) Its the very thing thats ruined everyone. And for those who think it makes them a better person, they were good people to begin with yknow they just didnt know it; they never believed it in themselves yknow. Its just a damn shame yknow; there are just two things that constantly ruin the world: Religion and money. You cant eat money so what good is it? And not a single person, not one person can prove their faith. Neither side can prove its existence or non-existence. (Laughs) yknow its insane that we give our self away to so much that isnt, that doesnt make any sense, yknow like I said if whatever your beliefs are if it makes you a better person then I say stick with it. Just dont expect everyone to be a part of your beliefs just because it makes you a better person yknow. Thats the insanity of it all man if I had all the answers and I figured it all out, Its just me, I figured it all out for myself. I cant make someone else live my lifestyle, its just what I think is right like I said everything in all existence is in perfect balance at all times yknow if life seems crazy to you then you need to do something right to make it right cos it aint nothing else its just you, you gotta change the way you think, you gotta change the way you act (Laughs) Its you that needs to change not life.
Do you think people create religion because they dont believe in themselves?
absolutely like I said just a little bit ago, people are not raised
to believe they are capable of everything. They might hear it in their
life but they never believe it yknow and I always try to explain
to people just on a level of physics yknow, from the surface of
my skin to infinity all of existence goes and thats the same for
everyone one of us right? That very equation that goes outward that
I cant imagine that I cant measure and I cant perceive
it in any way shape or form, my only perception of it is to infinity
right? Well that very exact equation exists within us like you, me,
everything alive; everything alive is until the day you die will be
the perfect balance to all that exists. So by definition, you are worth
all that exists, you are the power of all that exists, you have the
ability to do whatever you want in life because you possess everything
that exists in life within you, just in basic physics. Yknow if
you wish to waste that and throw it away? Throw it away! Thats
fine by me but just dont ever blame everyone else for your lack
of life because you didnt want to try, you werent willing
to do what it takes to get what you want.
You have a lot of interesting stuff to say about that, you never think about writing lyrics for Deftones?
You dont want to? Or do you think its a subject impossible to write about for the Deftones ?
No I very much have my mind set on writing a book about it all someday. But Im just like everyone else Im living life and Im learning too I mean for me to write a book at this period of my life about everything I think is right and then a week later after the book released learned something new that should have been in that book, then my book is fucking void! (Laughs) Its wrong! I learned something else that should have been in there so its like I dont know if Ill ever put it out, I mean like I said, there are things that are very much a fact and the very fact of all existence is yknow the meaning of life is simple, choice. You have a choice at all turns of your life. If you make a bad choice dont fault the world or anyone you know for your bad decision yknow and thats what everyone does, everyone wants to point their finger at everyone for their mistakes and its like look, own it, its your mistake, dont make it again if its the wrong one, learn right there and then its very simple yknow. And its perfectly ok to make mistakes, were all people yknow and everyone one of us is learning. Yknow whats truly amazing? Is that in a period of time where we live in right now, we have all the tools and abilities yknow T.V, radio, print media the internet, telephones I mean we have every bit of technological yknow options available for us all too simultaneously be and learn things on the same page at the same time! Everyone! And we use it all for the absolute opposite; were all pulling in different directions with it yknow, that bothers my mind yknow! Like I said yknow we live in a world where its like everything is dictated by money yknow everything is dictated by some law, by someone you dont even know who didnt even know you and wrote the law! (Laughs) Yknow its just pure insanity! It makes no sense to me.
To finish we have a few strange questions which need only one word as an answer.
Interview Bernard Pivot with Stephen Carpenter :
your favorite word?
My favorite word? Fuck (Laughs)
Cos its a great word! Its a word thats absolutely dynamic and works into every fucking sentence in the fucking world! (Laughs)
is your least favorite word?