you tell us something about this new tour?
Aaron : We haven't been here to
Europe since 3 years, it's been a long time since we've been back here
a lot has changed, many more kids are coming to the shows, probably
the smallest show on this tour is the size of the average show when
we were here 3 years ago, and there's so many more kids, and we never
travelled on a bus before, so that's really new and exciting for us,
and we're very good friends with both bands that we're touring with
so everyday is really like a big party, you hang out with your friends,
and then you play your show and then you just get back on this bus and
hang out some more so, it's very different than any tour I've ever been
on before, it's been the easiest tour in my life, and one of the most
"The Note" is your ninth album, what
is the most change in this new album? Are you satisfied of the result?
Zach: yeah, I mean, this is the album that
we wanted to make, this is the first record that we put out since 4
years so we kind of decided to get back into the practice base, it was
like "alright let's write a record", we knew that Give Blood,
who was out before, was very well respected and did very well and we
were kind of "whoa, we're gonna fucking blow that shit out in the
water" and at the same time make the exact record that we wanna
make. It's definitely different than give blood, but if you like Give
Blood, I think you'll like this record. We're absolutely happy with
this record. I think we're probably more satisfied than we've ever been
with any record.
Your lyrics on the precedents albums are full
of social and political sense, this one is more personal, is "the
Note" more of a concept album for you?
Zach : I don't think it's a concept album,
I think that what we tried to do, lyrically, I think it's just kind
of written from a personal view of what was going on, I guess it's a
Aaron : It captures where I am, I think
that every song that I write just captures where I am at that time,
and I didn't mean for this record to be so much more personal but I
think that a lot of the issues that I was struggling with last year
and this year where maybe a little bit darker and a little bit more
introspective you know, like looking inside myself instead of looking
around me, having to wrestle with the fact that a lot of things in life
change and people that you love die, or people leave, and you can't
change any of that so
When it was all set and done and I looked
back on the lyrics I was like "whoa, it's sort of a dark record"
but it wasn't intentional, it's just where I've been at mentally for
the last couple of years.
the cover art, there is a kind of comic strip, which illustrated the
symbolic of the lyrics, how you find this concept?
Aaron : I don't know, Pete, the bass player,
and I, we just wanted to do something very visual that maybe sort of
told the story but that left the story maybe up to the person who were
looking at it, to sort of decide what it all meant, we didn't want to
tell you what was inside "the note", we wanted you to sort
of come up with your own conclusions, we just wanted to have a layout
that kids could look at more than once, that wouldn't be the typical
hardcore layout with pictures of guitar players jumping in the air,
and X's on hands and all
And a broken and bleeding heart
(laughs) exactly!! And a bunches of skulls!! We really wanted
something different that you could look at 3 or 4 times and maybe every
time you looked at it come up with something new.
after this 10 years of music what sens could you give in the act of
playing hardcore music in 2005 ? Political implication? Musical sens
? Social sens ?
Aaron : That's a good question! And it
does become a little bit harder to maybe, it's hard, to hold on to the
reason that you started playing hardcore music for, when you were very
young, because time has changed and hardcore has become very popular
and very marketable, and if you do the right thing and if you walk the
right path, you can sell a lot of fucking records now, you know, and
that's never had any reason to do with why kids started punk and hardcore
bands ten years ago you know, so there's always a sort of struggle going
on you know, you have to keep hold to the reason why you did it, when
it didn't matter to you to sell only ten records, that you only wanted
to get on that stage and play that music that meant so much to you,
and now it became a little more complicated when you have to think about
not only doing it because you love it but trying to sell records and
to, you know, to make sure that all the people that are supporting you,
like the record labels and all are gonna be ok, so it's kind of different,
(talking to Zach) I think you might answer better than me.
Zach : I think, I don't really know, why
were still into it? I think we kinda always try to stay true to the
path that we always wanted to take, you know what I mean, as far as
Bane goes, even though hardcore is more popular know that it has ever
been, we're not selling that many more records than we ever have, but
we've been lucky to be a band that kids kinda stayed faithful to or
whatever, so we're able to tour, kids come out without being a band
that sold a hundred thousand records or whatever you know, more importantly
than anything, what we always try to do is just keep our music emotional
and what were doing with it is what we wanna do with it and make sure
that whatever we're writing and whatever we're playing is kind of, we
need to be able to feel what we're doing, you know what I'm saying?
When doing this record, we kinda threw some songs together, a demo of
five songs, we came out of that studio, and things didn't really feel
right, and I think if we stayed on that track we would have just been
writing a record to get a record out and try to sell records, so we
kinda scrapped that all demo session, and we were like "I can't
go on stage and fake what I'm doing, I gotta be able to feel these songs
and the emotion has to be there". From the very beginning we had
that emotion, and we still do, so I don't think that being commercialized
or whatever, we're happy that it's getting so popular, the kids that
are coming into the scene and are feeling their heart in these bands
will still be here in five years, the kids that don't will go back to
listening Britney Spears or whatever they'll go back to. I don't feel
much different than I did then years ago.
Aaron : That's one thing about Bane, we've
always been a pretty selfish band, we never worried too much about what
everybody around us expected of us, I think we learned pretty early
that hardcore kids are gonna change quickly and are gonna grow out of
this and turn their backs on you whenever they want to so you can't
spend your time worrying about what they expect from you and we just
started doing what felt right to us and fuck everybody else, if it felt
good for us then we just did it and I think that's why we always managed
to sound a little different than an average hardcore band and maybe
that has cost us some fans but in the end it has kept all of us inspired,
I still feel as excited about being in the band and making songs and
playing shows now as I did 8 years ago, it still feels the same to me
because I think that we've never been afraid to challenge each other
and to write things maybe just a little bit different than the average
hardcore band you know, so for me that's what kept it going, it's never
gotten stale because we've never fallen into some groove, something
like "this is what we have to do, we have to write songs like this",
like when it was time to write the note we didn't even really think
too much about what we had done with give blood, we were just thinking
about what was gonna be exciting for us right now. That's probably why
be were able to last as long as we have, we never worried about anybody
Zach : Our record label has really been
great with us too, supporting us, always be there, of course they wanna
sell as many records as they can because that's their job but they've
never pushed us to do something we didn't really wanna do, we've always
been able to call a shot, they've always understood.
Aaron : Bane is gonna do things Bane's
way and they just have to live with this. Maybe we're not selling many
records as they hoped that we would, but I think they respect us as
people because we did things the way we wanted to do them.
you have you something to say about the world situation in 2005?
Aaron : I think it's really scary; and
it's really scary living in America because the information that we
get is so limited, the media is so censured, and I think we're lied
to all the time by the politicians that run our country, that we're
never really getting the straight facts to what is going on. So I feel
almost sort of out of touch with everything that's really going on politically.
For years and years and years now, I just feel that I don't know who's
telling me the truth, but I know that I live in a basically evil country
that's being run by evil men who are only interested in profiting and
keeping the rich and powered. I've done this personal job that was to
pay attention to things that are close and personal to me and trying
to give all my heart and emotions to my friends and family and the band,
and I probably haven't been as active as I should have been politically
but I just think it's so fucking depressing to try to fight a battle
that is so big and so hard to win and almost nobody that I know cares
to do anything to really get involved you know. Today at the Eiffel
tower there was a huge protest of all those people with signs, there
were young people everywhere and you never see that in America, maybe
a little while after the war broke out you saw a little bit but, most
people in America are just happy to stay quiet, stay home, eat fucking
cheeseburgers and watch tv and go to bed, that's the way our country
likes it. Everybody quiet and sedated.
But we're in sort some of crisis in france, there are riots in the suburbs...
Aaron : We've been hearing about that!
The young kids are pissed!
Cause in France the suburbs are not for rich people,
it's some sort of ghettos, there has been an accidents a few weeks ago,
two kids got killed in an electricity station because they were chased
by the police, the were quite young and they haven't really done something
wrong, but in those ghettos there's a lot of tension between the kids
and the police so they just were scared, and people realized that there
is a problem with the death of those kids so now cars are being burned
down and the kids fight the police.
Aaron : It's because the kids feel like
they have no future, there are so many areas like that in America, if
you were born in that area your chances of doing anything of your life
are so so small but those kids usually don't rise up and fight back
and protest against the police, they usually just turn to drugs and
shooting each other, it's just like the violence stays contained in
those little areas and the police, and the politicians, and the powers
to be don't have to worry about it, they're killing each others so nobody
No they don't kill each other here, they just
fight the police, maybe even shoot the police.
Aaron : it's strange to say, but I think
it's a better alternative, at least they are speaking out
And conscious of the problem.
Aaron : Exactly! In America you don't see
that very often, the poor stay poor, and just do whatever they can to
get good sneakers or gold chains or whatever they have to do, it's really
Would you consider yourself a politically engaged band?
Zach : No, at least I'm not!
Aaron : It's so hard to even be politically conscious coming from America,
because all of your information is blocked, they won't tell you the
truth about what's going on, they never tell us about how many soldiers
were killed in the were this week, you never see their faces, there
are like thousands of 18 or 19 year old boys fighting in Irak and Afghanistan
right now and many of them are dying and you never hear their names,
you never see them on tv, it's just kept quiet all the time. So it's
really hard to get upset about what's going on politically because you're
not getting any information.
What do you think about the rise of new political
hardcore bands like Strike Anywhere?
Aaron : It's awesome, I think punk and
hardcore do go hand in hand with being angry about political and social
issues, I think it's a beautiful thing. I wish more young people would
get involved and get excited about fighting back.
do you think about the bands that are in Crimethinc? Are close from
Aaron : we're not close, sadly it's a very
different scene in America, it's really separate, you don't play with
those type of bands too often, it's sort of sad.
a lots of theses new engaged bands say that you are one of their influences
with bands like Boysetsfire, is that something you're proud of?
Aaron : absolutely! To have influence to
anybody ever makes me feel amazing, to know that we influenced anyone,
know that music is obviously a big part of your life, do you have any
Zach : I heard Andrew (from Comeback
Kid) answer this one ! I was trying to think of something too and
I don't really have anything else in my life besides this. I have my
home and my music and that's all I have, I don't know what I'll do when
this is done, I'm hoping it's never gonna end so
Aaron : he's too brilliant when it comes
to music, to understanding music, that it'll be with him forever.
Zach : If it stops someday, I'll try to
be a producer or something and if it doesn't work I'll fucking work
in a music store
Aaron : I have an answer for that actually!
I'm very passionate about the game poker, that's a big part of my life
when I'm not touring, a big part of my friends' life, and when I'm not
on the road I'm usually in a casino playing cards. That's not a very
exciting answer but it's something totally separate from music that
I'm very passionate about for sure.
you had something to say to the young generation, what would that be?
Aaron : I feel like it's such a weighty
question, I wanna say the right thing! I just think "fight back"
would be the thing that I'd say, don't be silenced, don't let them fucking
put yourself so down that you can't be heard you know. That's what punk
rock taught me ever since I was 15 years old, that you have a voice,
don't be afraid to fucking use it, don't be afraid of who it pisses
of. I wish that all those kids in the suburbs of Paris could hear that,
fucking fight back!
Pivot's Questionnary :
What is your favourite word?
Zach : I thought of "Boner" but I gave that away (to Andrew)!
Aaron : "bullshit"!!
What turns you on creatively?
Aaron : I guess courage, people being unafraid to do something totally
different, totally original, I think that really inspires me when I
see somebody not worrying about selling you know, just going for it.
Zach : I think Life! It's probably a pretty boring answer that a lot
of people say. When I write something, it kind of always have to do
with what's happening in my life, as far as if I'm sad, sad music is
coming out, if I'm pissed of it's the same, I just have to find the
right moment to write the right song. I could be mad for a month but
nothing is coming out then it's just like "bam!" it gotta
come out. I'm most creative when I'm really upset about something
What is your favourite curse word?
Aaron : I would say "twat", it's really dirty
Zach : I wanna say "fuck", I know everyone says fuck but that's
my favourite word
Aaron : I don't get to use twat very often, but if you manage to use
it into a sentence "whao" you just made that sentence so much
Zach : well then my least favourite word is twat!! (laughs)
What sound or noise do you love?
Aaron : the sound of a girl breathing in my ear! (laughs) this is my
Zach : It's too cheesy!!
What sound or noise do you hate?
Aaron : I'm afraid to even say it 'cause he'll do it whenever he gets
the chance to if I say it! The sound of teeth on a metal fork, that's
my least favourite sound!
Zach : Harley Davidson's motorcycles! (laughs)
Aaron : we lived right around the corner of this huge biker bar, every
Sunday morning, so fucking early, they would rally there, there were
hundreds of them
Zach : I could shoot myself in the face
What is your favourite place on earth?
Zach : oh fuck it's hard!
Aaron: I love Rome, but I also love Tokyo, I also love sitting at a
poker table, with tons and tons of chips in front of me!
Zach : my bed!
And the one you hate ?
Aaron : The Canadian border (laughs), it's the worst, you sit
there and you just hope that they'll let you through, and that they're
not gonna charge you money to bring your t-shirts over the border, sometimes
it takes 4 hours and they treat you like you're a criminal and you don't
even wanna go to that stupid fucking country!! You're sitting there
crossing your fingers, praying that they're gonna let you through, and
they're definitely gonna charge you some amount of money, it's just
a matter of how much, it's the worst!!
Zach : I'd say a police station
Which persons influenced you the most during your
Zach : My friends Steve Nale
Aaron : probably an author named Charles Bukowski , he had influence
of me for sure.
Who were your heroes when you were a kid
Aaron : Rocky, he was my hero!
Zach : I don't know if I had just one hero, I always wanted to be a
rock n roll star, so any band! Bon jovi! Hmm, who could be a real hero
My parents but that's obvious I guess.
What profession would you not like to do?
Zach : I once was a phone marketer, and that really sucks!!
That's my job!!! (laughs)
Aaron : In sex shops, there are little rooms with a window where you
can see a girl getting naked, and some guys go into those rooms to masturbate,
well, I would'nt want to be the guy that cleans those rooms!!! (laughs)
If Heaven exists, what would you like to hear
God say when you arrive at the Pearly Gates?
Zach (laughs) : You lucky son of a bitch!! That's what's he's
Aaron : what is he gonna say to me! I spent my life not believing in
him and tell people that he doesn't exist, I hope he says "it's
ok, you were a good guy, come on through, it's okay, I understand, you
were trying to do the right thing, come with me dummy" (laughs)